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Here are PDFs of the slides of the lectures so far: [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-1.pdf|Lecture 1]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-2.pdf|Lecture 2]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-3.pdf|Lecture 3]]. | Here are PDFs of the slides of the lectures so far: [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-1.pdf|Lecture 1]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-2.pdf|Lecture 2]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-3.pdf|Lecture 3]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/lecture-4.pdf|Lecture 4]]. |
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Here are the recordings of some of the lectures so far (Lecture 1 still missing, in Lecture 2 the microphone signal did not come through): [[http://vulcano.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/lecturnity/lecture1/Search_Engines,_Lecture_3,_5Nov09_1_05_11_2009_16_16_20.html|Lecture 3]] | Here are .lpd files of the recordings of the lectures so far (except Lecture 2, where we had problems with the microphone): [[http://vulcano.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/lecturnity/lecture-1.lpd|Lecture 1]] [[http://vulcano.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/lecturnity/lecture-3.lpd|Lecture 3]] [[http://vulcano.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/lecturnity/lecture-4.lpd|Lecture 4]]. |
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Here are PDFs of the exercise sheets so far: [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-1.pdf|Exercise Sheet 1]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-2.pdf|Exercise Sheet 2]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-3.pdf|Exercise Sheet 3]]. | Here are PDFs of the exercise sheets so far: [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-1.pdf|Exercise Sheet 1]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-2.pdf|Exercise Sheet 2]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-3.pdf|Exercise Sheet 3]], [[attachment:SearchEnginesWS0910/exercise-4.pdf|Exercise Sheet 4]]. |
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Here are your solutions and comments on the previous exercise sheets: [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet1|Exercise Sheet 1]], [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet2|Exercise Sheet 2]]. | Here are your solutions and comments on the previous exercise sheets: [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet1|Solutions and Comments 1]], [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet2|Solutions and Comments 2]], [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet3|Solutions and Comments 3]] = Exercise Sheet 3 = The recordings of all lectures are now available, see above. Lecture 2 is missing because we had technical problems there. To play the recordings (it's .lpd files) you need the Lecturnity Player. [[http://www.lecturnity.de/de/download/lecturnity-player|You can download the player for free here]]. |
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= Exercise Sheet 3 = Above, you find a link to a published recording of Lecture 3. Please try if that works for you. [[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet3|Here you can upload your solutions for Exercise Sheet 3]]. |
[[SearchEnginesWS0910/ExerciseSheet4|Here you can upload your solutions for Exercise Sheet 4]]. |
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Hi, should we restrict the number of documents being returned? That could be helpful in exercise number 3, since if we use "and-ish" retrieval and the query contains a common word, nearly all documents are returned anyway. They are only ordered by relevance. Of course choose my query in a way that I am still able to discuss ex3, but if I say a place after rank 50 or something is like "not returned" for a relevant document. '''Björn 9Nov 9.20 ''' | To Florian: This was very well explained in the lecture (it is still there on the slides). It means the speed-up achieved by reading and decompressing your compressed list compared to when the list is read in uncompressed format. As your inverted list is randomly generated, you might have different speed-ups. In order to have any speed-up, of course, your compression scheme should really work and reduce the size of the inverted list + should not be too inefficient. One extreme example for inefficient code would be using strings instead of bit-shifting for your coding. |
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Hi Dragos, if you want you can use your implementation from Exercise 1 (extended to deal with scores, of course). If your implementation could only deal with two-word queries, you have to find a suitable two-word query (see what I wrote below), but that should be possible. I don't understand what this has to do with the vector-space model though? The vector space model is just a way to get a formula for ranking documents. Processing the queries is still done via inverted lists. Understand that inverted lists are just an efficient way to store the non-zero entries of a sparse matrix. You would never store the term-document matrix as a two-dimensional array, that would be huge ... and a big waste, because most entries are actually zero (that's what "sparse" means). '''Hannah 9Nov09 2:31am''' | What is meant with the best speedup for Exercise 4 which we should add on the solution page? The best speedup for just reading the data from disk or the best speedup for reading and decompressing the list? '''Florian 16Nov09 8:12pm''' |
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For exercises 2 and 3, should the query be multi-word, or the exercises refer to the two-word query implemented in Ex Sheet 1 ? I am asking because it's clearly more simple to use the "easy" method(presented in the lecture) for two-word queries and the "vector space model" for a multi-word query. Thank you in advance ! '''Dragos 9Nov 00.27 ''' | To Dragos: Gap encoding + Elias code is not trivial at all and you can use it. Gap encoding + Byte code is also fine. '''Marjan 16Nov09 2:15pm''' |
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To Björn + all: I said non-trivial so that you don't take a super-specific query, which has only one or two matching documents, which you can easily retrieve with 100% precision and 100% recall with the right query. An example would be an article with a very specific title like "On the influence of Blancmanges from Skyron on Scottish tennis playing skills". Then, if your collection is not super large, the query "blancmanges skyron scottish" will be perfect. Don't pick a query like that. Also do not just formulate a query, but also write down the search request that you had in mind, so that you have a yardstick to determine what is relevant for that query and what is not. [[attachment:trec_queries.txt|Here are some example of queries from TREC, the big IR benchmark conference]]. Each query there has a so-called "title" (what you would typically enter as query words), a "description" (a short description of what the query is about), and a "narrative" (a long description of what the query is about). '''Hannah 08Nov09 3:28pm''' | Is it ok to use Elias code for the compressing from Exercise 4(2)? Or it's too 'trivial'?:)'''Dragos 16Nov09 14.14''' |
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Concerning the exercises: What is a non-trivial query? A query that does contain multiple documents or does it have to consist of multiple words, too? Anything else? '''Björn 8Nov09 14:26''' | To Florian + all: A single number doesn't really make sense, does it? For the discussion part of the exercise, think in terms of probability distributions, as we did in the lecture (when discussing which probability distribution a certain encoding is optimal for). For the example, give a sequence of numbers. '''Hannah 15Nov09 9:41pm''' |
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The recording works for mac os with flip4mac: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx '''Jonas 8Nov09 14:06''' | To Johannes + all: Yes, good idea. I will anyway at some point in the next weeks hand out a sheet where you have the opportunity to give feedback on the lectures and the exercises. But yes, why not give me that feedback on the current exercise sheet already now. Let me refine your proposal a bit. It would be useful for me if you would provide ''two'' grades: one for the hardness (pick one of: too hard for me, challenging but feasible, not very hard) and one for the amount of work (pick one of: too much for me, a lot but feasible, not more than for other lectures). It would also be helpful if you would not just give a grade but put your opinion into words. It's no problem if you are critical but please stay polite. I will take your comments seriously, don't worry. '''Hannah 15Nov09 9:33am''' |
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Maybe you could consider putting it on electures - it seems to be the standard place for putting recordings and slides online as far as I know and there are already some solutions for putting lecturnity files online in a platform-independent manner. I don't know if it's practical but it's also nice having all lectures in one place i'd say... http://electures.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/ '''Alex 7Nov09 18:05''' | In Exercise we should "give an example of data for which k = x is the best choice". What is meant by "an example of data" here? A single number or a set of numbers or anything else? '''Florian 15Nov09 8:52pm''' |
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In Linux I see no suitable plugin. I would like to download the .lpd file too. We can test it with our old Lecturnity versions (i have 2.0) and if it doesn't work we can download 4.x at http://www.lecturnity.de/de/download/lecturnity-player/ '''Waldemar 7Nov09 12:49''' | I'd like to suggest that everyone grades the exercise sheet from 1 (for "way to easy") to 10 ("way to hard"). This might provide the professor with the feedback she asks for in the lecture. How about that idea? '''Johannes 2009-11-15T20:40L''' |
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Thanks, Paresh, yes I can do that. So do all students have access to the latest version (should be at least 4.x otherwise it will not work I think) of Lecturnity? '''Hannah 6Nov09 11:35pm''' | To Florian + all: yes, sorry, I forgot to mention this in the lecture. Marjan already explained how to clear the disk cache. Let me add to this an explanation what the disk cache actually is. Whenever you read a (part of a) file from disk, the operating system of your computed will use whatever memory is currently unused to store that (part of the) file there. When you read it again and the (part of the) file hasn't changed and the memory used to store it has not been used otherwise in the meantime, than that data is read right from memory, which is much faster than reading it from disk. Usually that effect is desirable, because it speeds up things, but when you do experiments, it is undesirable, because it leads to unrealistically good running times, especially when carrying out an experiment many times in a row. '''Hannah 15Nov09 8:10pm''' |
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Hi, yes the recording is working properly after downloading the plug-in. kindly upload the rest files. Also it will be helpful if you could give links to .lpd files since it is easier to download and play them in lecturnity player than browser and one can play them at any time. '''Paresh 6 Nov09 11:25pm''' | To Florian: Indeed, we were running out of time and there was no room for this in the lecture. I can suggest to you few ways how to clear the disk cache: before carrying out your final experiment, read a large amount of data (let's say close to the amount of RAM you have) from disk - this will ensure that your data (the inverted list) is cleared from the disk cache and replaced by something else (thus an actual reading from disk get's timed, and not reading from RAM). Another way is to restart your computer before doing the timing. '''Marjan 15Nov09 7:27pm''' |
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To Mirko + all: whenever we write "prove", we mean a proof in the mathematical sense. For the exercises, the challenge is often two-fold. You first have to turn the statement of the exercise into a formal statement. Then you have to prove that statement. For Exercise 4 you will first have to specify the order in which the inverted lists should be sorted. Then you have to prove that the document with the i-th largest score (formed by max aggregation), where i <= k, is indeed among one of the k first entries wrt to the specified order, in at least one of the inverted lists. '''Hannah 3Nov09 10:29pm''' | In exercise 4 it says: "Important note: Whenver you measure running times for reading data from disk, you have to clear the disk cache before, as discussed in the lecture". I think that this was not discussed in the lecture? What do we have to do here? '''Florian 15Nov09 7:15pm''' |
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About Exercise4: I actually dont know how to to write down (but i think i know how/why it works) the prove of top-k retrieval with the maximum-score. Is it okay to describe it in words or do we have to formalize it in a certain way? '''Mirko 5Nov09 22:21pm''' | @Bit shifting: The syntax for that is actually the same, irrespectively of whether you use Java, C++, perl, python, or whatever. The >> operator shifts to the right, the << operator shifts to the left, the & operator ands the bits of the two operands and the | operator ors the bits of the two operands. Very simple. You will also find zillions of example programs on the web by typing something like ''java bit shifting'' into Google or whatever your favorite search engine is. '''Hannah 15Nov09 1:16''' |
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Ok, I have played around a bit with lecturnity myself, and published Lecture 3, see the link above. For Marjan it worked, he only needed to install some Windows Media plugin for his Firefox. Please also try, and tell me if there are problems. Also tell me if everything goes fine. (It's enough if one or two people tell me.) If it does I will also publish Lecture 1. Lecture 2, as I said, is lost to the world forever (well, at least the audio), since audio recording did not work that day. '''Hannah 3Nov09 10:06pm''' | Hi Marius + all: For Exercise 4, an inverted list of size m with doc ids from the range [1..n] is simply a sorted list of m numbers from the range [1..n]. I leave it to you, whether your lists potentially contain duplicates (as in 3, 5, 5, 8, 12, ...) or whether you generate them in a way that they don't contain duplicates (as in 3, 5, 8, 17, ...). It doesn't really matter for the exercise whether your list has duplicated or not. In any case, consider simple flat lists like in the two examples I gave (and like all the examples I gave in this and past lectures), not lists of lists or anything. '''Hannah 15Nov09 1:12am''' |
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Dear Marius + all: Yes, the lectures are recorded, except for Lecture 2, where there were technical problems (no signal from the microphone). I always copy the Lecturnity files to my machine after the lecture, but don't know yet how how to publish them on the web so that they are easily viewable by others. I will meet with our group's technician tomorrow, and ask him about this. Stay tuned! '''Hannah 5Nov09 8:36pm''' | @Mirko: Sure, but an inverted list is a list of words where the Doc-IDs are attached to each words in which the words occur. So for Example: If word no. 5 occurs in Doc1, Doc2 and Doc3 and word no. 2 occurs in Doc5, the list would look like: 5 -> Doc1, Doc2, Doc3; 2 -> Doc5. Or am I mistaken? My question then is, how long should these attached lists be in average case? I mean, one could imagine that we got 1mil. documents over 3 words, so these lists could get very large... |
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Hi, I noticed that you record your lectures. Is it somehow possible to download these recordings or will they be released later? '''Marius Nov5th, 4:54 p.m.''' | EDIT: Oh ok. Now, I see your point. It's not an index, it's a list. Okay. So, what is an inverted list with Doc-IDs, then? |
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Hi Waleed, when you create a conflict, it's your responsibility to remove it and not leave a mess behind. If the instructions given when the conflict occurs do not suffice, try to find more information on the Wiki help pages. '''Hannah 3Nov09 9:00pm''' | EDIT EDIT: And to your question, Mirko, take a look at http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/93. Especially at Comment no. 2. Maybe this helps... I think, Java supports StreamWriters/Readers that are able to write/read bytes. '''Marius 11/14/2009 08:46pm''' |
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I uploaded my Files and put a new row on table in the excercies sheet 2 page but when i pressed save button it shows me conflict. my version and other version of list. how can i remove conflict? does my assignment is submitted properly or not? '''Waleed''' 3Nov09 | EDIT EDIT EDIT: Sorry, me again. Well, I bothered Wikipedia which redirects from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_list to Inverted Index. So it seems to me, this is being used as a synonym. Actually, I think I'm confused enough, now. I'll better wait for any responses... ;-) '''Marius 11/14/2009 9:08 pm''' @ Marius: i think we are supposed to generate one inverted __list__ of size m, with doc ids from 1..n (therefore n>=m, because no duplicates?). Now a question from my side: ex.4, programming the compression in __java__, is there any __good__ tutorial about how to handle the bit-stuff? (otherwise, i think, it would cost me too much time..) '''Mirko 14Nov09, 19:18''' Hi, do you have any suggestions what the best numbers for m and n in exercise 4 should look like? Or are we supposed to mess around a bit with ints and longs? And: How long should the list of documents in the inverted index be? '''Marius 14Nov09 6:40pm''' And just to clarify what a single-cycle permutation is. Here is an example for an array of size 5 with a permutation that is a single cycle: 5 4 1 3 2. Why single cycle? Well, A[1] = 5, A[5] = 2, A[2] = 4, A[4] = 3, A[3] = 1. (My indices in this example are 1,...,5 and not 0,...,4.) Here is an example of a permutation with three cycles: 2 1 4 3 5. The first cycle is A[1] = 2, A[2] =1. The second cycle is A[3] = 4, A[4] = 3. The third cycle is A[5] = 5. '''Hannah 12Nov09 8:04pm''' Hi Daniel + all, I don't quite understand your question and your example (if your array is 1 5 3 4 2, why is A[1] = 3?). In case you refer to the requirement of the exercise that the permutation consists only of a single cycle. That is because your code should go over each element exactly once (it should, of course, stop after n iterations, where n is the size of the array). If your permutation has more than one cycle, it is hard to achieve that. Also note that for both (1) and (2), the sum of the array values should be sum_i=1,...,n i = n * (n+1) / 2. '''Hannah 12Nov09 7:54pm''' Hi, I just looked at the new exercise sheet 4, in exercise 1 we should generate a permutation and sum the resulting array up, am I wrong or doesn't iterating method two iterate throw the whole array in every situation. for ex.: n= 5 permutation: 1 5 3 4 2, then A[1] = 3, A[A[1]]= A[3] = 1, A[1] = 3 ... '''Daniel 12Nov09 19:44pm''' |
Welcome to the Wiki page of the course Search Engines, WS 2009 / 2010. Lecturer: Hannah Bast. Tutorials: Marjan Celikik. Course web page: click here.
Here are PDFs of the slides of the lectures so far: Lecture 1, Lecture 2, Lecture 3, Lecture 4.
Here are .lpd files of the recordings of the lectures so far (except Lecture 2, where we had problems with the microphone): Lecture 1 Lecture 3 Lecture 4.
Here are PDFs of the exercise sheets so far: Exercise Sheet 1, Exercise Sheet 2, Exercise Sheet 3, Exercise Sheet 4.
Here are your solutions and comments on the previous exercise sheets: Solutions and Comments 1, Solutions and Comments 2, Solutions and Comments 3
Exercise Sheet 3
The recordings of all lectures are now available, see above. Lecture 2 is missing because we had technical problems there. To play the recordings (it's .lpd files) you need the Lecturnity Player. You can download the player for free here.
Here are the rules for the exercises as explained in Lecture 2.
Here you can upload your solutions for Exercise Sheet 4.
Questions or comments below this line, most recent on top please
To Florian: This was very well explained in the lecture (it is still there on the slides). It means the speed-up achieved by reading and decompressing your compressed list compared to when the list is read in uncompressed format. As your inverted list is randomly generated, you might have different speed-ups. In order to have any speed-up, of course, your compression scheme should really work and reduce the size of the inverted list + should not be too inefficient. One extreme example for inefficient code would be using strings instead of bit-shifting for your coding.
What is meant with the best speedup for Exercise 4 which we should add on the solution page? The best speedup for just reading the data from disk or the best speedup for reading and decompressing the list? Florian 16Nov09 8:12pm
To Dragos: Gap encoding + Elias code is not trivial at all and you can use it. Gap encoding + Byte code is also fine. Marjan 16Nov09 2:15pm
Is it ok to use Elias code for the compressing from Exercise 4(2)? Or it's too 'trivial'?:)Dragos 16Nov09 14.14
To Florian + all: A single number doesn't really make sense, does it? For the discussion part of the exercise, think in terms of probability distributions, as we did in the lecture (when discussing which probability distribution a certain encoding is optimal for). For the example, give a sequence of numbers. Hannah 15Nov09 9:41pm
To Johannes + all: Yes, good idea. I will anyway at some point in the next weeks hand out a sheet where you have the opportunity to give feedback on the lectures and the exercises. But yes, why not give me that feedback on the current exercise sheet already now. Let me refine your proposal a bit. It would be useful for me if you would provide two grades: one for the hardness (pick one of: too hard for me, challenging but feasible, not very hard) and one for the amount of work (pick one of: too much for me, a lot but feasible, not more than for other lectures). It would also be helpful if you would not just give a grade but put your opinion into words. It's no problem if you are critical but please stay polite. I will take your comments seriously, don't worry. Hannah 15Nov09 9:33am
In Exercise we should "give an example of data for which k = x is the best choice". What is meant by "an example of data" here? A single number or a set of numbers or anything else? Florian 15Nov09 8:52pm
I'd like to suggest that everyone grades the exercise sheet from 1 (for "way to easy") to 10 ("way to hard"). This might provide the professor with the feedback she asks for in the lecture. How about that idea? Johannes 2009-11-15T20:40L
To Florian + all: yes, sorry, I forgot to mention this in the lecture. Marjan already explained how to clear the disk cache. Let me add to this an explanation what the disk cache actually is. Whenever you read a (part of a) file from disk, the operating system of your computed will use whatever memory is currently unused to store that (part of the) file there. When you read it again and the (part of the) file hasn't changed and the memory used to store it has not been used otherwise in the meantime, than that data is read right from memory, which is much faster than reading it from disk. Usually that effect is desirable, because it speeds up things, but when you do experiments, it is undesirable, because it leads to unrealistically good running times, especially when carrying out an experiment many times in a row. Hannah 15Nov09 8:10pm
To Florian: Indeed, we were running out of time and there was no room for this in the lecture. I can suggest to you few ways how to clear the disk cache: before carrying out your final experiment, read a large amount of data (let's say close to the amount of RAM you have) from disk - this will ensure that your data (the inverted list) is cleared from the disk cache and replaced by something else (thus an actual reading from disk get's timed, and not reading from RAM). Another way is to restart your computer before doing the timing. Marjan 15Nov09 7:27pm
In exercise 4 it says: "Important note: Whenver you measure running times for reading data from disk, you have to clear the disk cache before, as discussed in the lecture". I think that this was not discussed in the lecture? What do we have to do here? Florian 15Nov09 7:15pm
@Bit shifting: The syntax for that is actually the same, irrespectively of whether you use Java, C++, perl, python, or whatever. The >> operator shifts to the right, the << operator shifts to the left, the & operator ands the bits of the two operands and the | operator ors the bits of the two operands. Very simple. You will also find zillions of example programs on the web by typing something like java bit shifting into Google or whatever your favorite search engine is. Hannah 15Nov09 1:16
Hi Marius + all: For Exercise 4, an inverted list of size m with doc ids from the range [1..n] is simply a sorted list of m numbers from the range [1..n]. I leave it to you, whether your lists potentially contain duplicates (as in 3, 5, 5, 8, 12, ...) or whether you generate them in a way that they don't contain duplicates (as in 3, 5, 8, 17, ...). It doesn't really matter for the exercise whether your list has duplicated or not. In any case, consider simple flat lists like in the two examples I gave (and like all the examples I gave in this and past lectures), not lists of lists or anything. Hannah 15Nov09 1:12am
@Mirko: Sure, but an inverted list is a list of words where the Doc-IDs are attached to each words in which the words occur. So for Example: If word no. 5 occurs in Doc1, Doc2 and Doc3 and word no. 2 occurs in Doc5, the list would look like: 5 -> Doc1, Doc2, Doc3; 2 -> Doc5. Or am I mistaken? My question then is, how long should these attached lists be in average case? I mean, one could imagine that we got 1mil. documents over 3 words, so these lists could get very large...
EDIT: Oh ok. Now, I see your point. It's not an index, it's a list. Okay. So, what is an inverted list with Doc-IDs, then?
EDIT EDIT: And to your question, Mirko, take a look at http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/93. Especially at Comment no. 2. Maybe this helps... I think, Java supports StreamWriters/Readers that are able to write/read bytes. Marius 11/14/2009 08:46pm
EDIT EDIT EDIT: Sorry, me again. Well, I bothered Wikipedia which redirects from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_list to Inverted Index. So it seems to me, this is being used as a synonym. Actually, I think I'm confused enough, now. I'll better wait for any responses... Marius 11/14/2009 9:08 pm
@ Marius: i think we are supposed to generate one inverted list of size m, with doc ids from 1..n (therefore n>=m, because no duplicates?).
Now a question from my side: ex.4, programming the compression in java, is there any good tutorial about how to handle the bit-stuff? (otherwise, i think, it would cost me too much time..) Mirko 14Nov09, 19:18
Hi, do you have any suggestions what the best numbers for m and n in exercise 4 should look like? Or are we supposed to mess around a bit with ints and longs? And: How long should the list of documents in the inverted index be? Marius 14Nov09 6:40pm
And just to clarify what a single-cycle permutation is. Here is an example for an array of size 5 with a permutation that is a single cycle: 5 4 1 3 2. Why single cycle? Well, A[1] = 5, A[5] = 2, A[2] = 4, A[4] = 3, A[3] = 1. (My indices in this example are 1,...,5 and not 0,...,4.) Here is an example of a permutation with three cycles: 2 1 4 3 5. The first cycle is A[1] = 2, A[2] =1. The second cycle is A[3] = 4, A[4] = 3. The third cycle is A[5] = 5. Hannah 12Nov09 8:04pm
Hi Daniel + all, I don't quite understand your question and your example (if your array is 1 5 3 4 2, why is A[1] = 3?). In case you refer to the requirement of the exercise that the permutation consists only of a single cycle. That is because your code should go over each element exactly once (it should, of course, stop after n iterations, where n is the size of the array). If your permutation has more than one cycle, it is hard to achieve that. Also note that for both (1) and (2), the sum of the array values should be sum_i=1,...,n i = n * (n+1) / 2. Hannah 12Nov09 7:54pm
Hi, I just looked at the new exercise sheet 4, in exercise 1 we should generate a permutation and sum the resulting array up, am I wrong or doesn't iterating method two iterate throw the whole array in every situation. for ex.: n= 5 permutation: 1 5 3 4 2, then A[1] = 3, A[A[1]]= A[3] = 1, A[1] = 3 ... Daniel 12Nov09 19:44pm